Debunking Holocaust Denial – The Fred Leuchter Report – #3

One thing I have always found revealing about those online who like to cosplay as Nazis, but who in reality would be seen as untermensch by their peers is their tendencies to flirt with legal action against those who have publicly embarrassed them. Mike Enoch, Jesse Dunstan, and Alex McNabb of the TDS (formally The Daily Shoah) podcast told their audience that they were investigating legal action against me after I showed their assertion that the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz were too cold to allow a lethal concentration of hydrogen cyanide to be idiotic. And now American manufacturer of execution equipment and prominent Holocaust denier Fred Leuchter is accusing me of libel and slander; at least according to his friend and fellow holocaust denier, Jim Rizoli. 

Rizoli: “He did slander and defame him and Fred is going to deal with him, what that, you know in his own way. You know because when you when you are on the internet and you say something about somebody that’s not true and its completely not true well you are going to have to deal with that.So he is going to have to deal with that too”

Rizoli: “He is in a very vicarious situation because he has slandered slandered and defamed Fred saying all thee things about him that wern’t true and he will have to deal with it”

How I exactly slandered and defamed Leuchter remains a mystery and personally I am not sure what I could write or say at this point which would damage Leuchter’s reputation beyond what he has already done to himself. Like with the TDS podcasters, I am not in the least bit concerned with the latest legal threats, as generally speaking those who are looking to take legal action against someone tend not to warn them beforehand. The only reason why I mention it is because as I said I believe it to be very revealing. It shows that these people are not as they wish to be portrayed: highbrow, free-thinking, truth seeking, intellectuals, but, as I said before, they are simply petulant, impotent edge lords who care more about shutting people up than the actual truth.

Recently Leuchter appeared back on Rizoli’s internet show where he attempted to counter some of the claims I made against him. Now I realise that this point I am beating a dead horse with a fish I just shot in a barrel but I find their brand of denial so distasteful and bizarre that I can’t stop poking these geriatrics with a stick and watch them flail. What immediately stands out about their most recent response and what is rather off-putting is Rizoli’s decision to use the emblem of the Nazi Party as a background. 

I am not sure what he was trying to accomplish nor can I understand why Leuchter seems to be ok with his choice. It was my understanding that Leuchter was trying to present himself as the outsider giving credence to the movement as someone who has no axe to grind. To some degree I believe this, which is why I find Leuchter so interesting and why I was so desperate to talk to him to discover how he fell down this rabbit hole – something which went over the head of Rizoli. 

Rizoli: “He said that uh, the reason that you went over, uh, when you went over, to uh, when you went over to Auschwitz, h-he kind of looked at the reason why you did that wasn’t a pure reason, he’s looking at it like, uh, you were there because you’re some Holocaust denier trying to prove your point but that’s not the reason you went over there, so, you know, what are you gonna to do? That’s what he’s gonna say, um, but you were there on a mission because, uh, you were being paid to uh find out if the, anyway, at least we tried.”

This is a flat out lie! I never said that Leuchter had ulterior motives, nor that his intentions were anything but pure. What I did say was he lacked the skills and knowledge to accomplish his task and was so incompetent that he unwittingly stacked the deck in his favour. If I were more conspiratorial minded I would mention that this was not Ernst Zündel’s -the man who commissioned Leuchter to conduct a forensic examination of the gas chambers – first attempt at this sort of thing. At his request, samples had already been illegally procured from Auschwitz and had been subjected to toxicological analysis. He stated that these older samples had been taken in “in an insufficiently professional manner” but it would potentially give him a clear idea of which areas harboured detectable cyanide traces and which did not. All jokes aside, after watching footage of Leuchter acquiring the samples at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in the Movie ‘Mr. Death’ I believe he is simply inept. Perhaps Rizoli is unaware of my opinion of Leuchter because he is still unable to watch my videos due to him being banned from the platform. This could explain why both he and Leuchter believe that I purposely ignored the Prussian Blue staining on the outside of the Birkenau delousing building. 

Leuchter: “O-o-obviously since the colour from the pression blue doesn’t migrate from the inside to the outside, uh, that’s what, that’s what Myles shifts, that’s what Myles has said. People can make that decision on their own. Does Myles know what he’s talking about? He’s saying that the pression blue is not on both sides of the wall on uh, on the uh [inaudible].

Rizoli: “And he was very dishonest about that because never – I mean you can go there and see it! And he never showed that side of the wall, which is very dishonest.”

Leuchter: “Well he doesn’t want anybody to know!”

They felt so strongly about my omission that they actually mentioned it twice. 

Leuchter: “Everybody on the planet knows that the Zyklon B went from the inside wall to the outside wall in the uh, Lousing facility.”

Rizoli: “Myles didn’t bring anything up about the Lousing chambers, uh, you know, showing the blue stain on the outside of the wall. I mean, what Myles, what’re you – you miss that? I mean c’mon, I mean it went through the wall. It hits the wall Fred from what, 6 inches, 8 inches?”.

Leuchter: “Uh, ah, oh, it-it, uh the wall – it’s a concrete block and then there’s [inaudible] so it’s pretty close, so what?”

Rizoli: “Ok Myles so I guess you missed this point that the Prussian Blue now is on the other side of this wall! It’s not a half of a hair length through into wall, it’s like a foot! It’s gone through the wall, it’s on the other side of the wall. That’s why Germar took he – he took pictures of the other side of the wall. A-and Myles, he doesn’t want to show that because he knows if he shows that, he’s gonna be proved a liar.” 

In reality I covered the staining of the Birkenau delousing building exterior walls in 2020 stating that the formation of Prussian Blue on the outside was a result of cracks in the mortar. This is further backed up by broken sections showing that the Prussian Blue did not penetrate the solid to any great degree. I realise that I am repeating myself, but I feel that I need to highlight the lack of research and critical thinking of the pair. Remember despite Leuchter’s report being so fundamentally flawed that even fellow Holocaust deniers have been critical of his findings, he is still seen as one of the darlings of the movement and an authority figure. 

But the cracks are starting to form and even those who once looked up to the duo are cringing at their latest instalments where they paradoxically manage to be extremely ignorant whilst simultaneously being extremely arrogant. Like when Rizoli stated that there was a chemistry-based video that proved I did not know what I was talking about which I countered and ridiculed just under a year ago, or when Leuchter – a self-proclaimed expert in gas chambers – said that a temperature of 78°F (25.6°C) is required to evaporate Zyclon-B.

What is really interesting and quite revealing about their latest instalment was the lack of any chemistry discussion. I presumed Leuchter, who is only known because of his botched chemical analysis of the homicidal gas chamber walls, would relish an opportunity to defend his work. Instead he and Rizoli actively try to steer the conversation away from demonstrably provable chemical facts towards semantics and their hurt feelings. At first, I was confused by their response but the longer I thought about it the more it made sense. Leuchter must know deep down – although he will probably never admit it – that his work in the 80s is flawed and that he doesn’t stand a chance of defending it against even the lightest of scrutiny from a professional chemist. The glossing over and deflection of any chemistry discussion by the duo in my opinion is an admission of failure. 

As I said the pair in their latest video attempted to steer the conversation towards semantics and their hurt feelings. Leuchter seems particularly offended that I questioned his credentials and believes that I need to get over questioning who he is so the two of us can have a meaningful conversation. 

Leuchter: “The problem is, every time we try to get into a discussion with Myles, he uh, he starts with the uh, with the lies uh, and with the attacks, and he questions who I am and what I’m doing and my training and everything else. So, in order to have a meaningful discussion with him, he’s gotta get by all that foolishness. He’s been reading a lot of stuff, a lot of lies that have been put forth by the Jews, and he’s got to get to the point where he can look and talk to somebody who can supply him with the correct information. And um, you know, um, until he gets past this, every time anything happens, he wants to talk about what I did and who I am.”

Leuchter: “So, uh, he um, the issue now becomes, he’s got to stop questioning and throwing ah, and throwing [inaudible] attacks on me, uh, and questioning, and questioning my credentials.”

In the past I have talked about Leuchter’s credentials or lack thereof but never really went into any detail. I simply stated that he misrepresented himself as an engineer yet still had a somewhat successful career selling and installing equipment for carrying out executions. What I did not mention was that Leuchter’s lack of qualifications and experience led him to manufacture an inhumane lethal injection system which would cause a nightmarish death for the condemned. His device would first paralyse using the muscle relaxant Pancuronium bromide but according to Dr. Edward Brunner, chairman of the anaesthesia department at Northwester University Medical school, it would merely stop the prisoner from screaming at the “extreme pain in the form of a severe burning sensation” caused by the potassium chloride injection. I also did not mention that Leuchter who would testify on humanitarian grounds for the defence in capital cases if he was not given contracts for his services by the State knowingly sold a defective lethal injection machine. After the Illinois Department of Corrections ended their contract with Leuchter, he told them that he would take no responsibility should his device fail and stressed that it “has an intermittent functional problem and may very likely fail during the execution”. When it comes to gas execution Leuchter believes there is no equal and, in the past, compared himself to the Pope despite knowing nothing about how vapor pressure can affect evaporation or what a lower explosion limit is.

“I, like the Pope, speak Ex Cathedra on matters concerning Gas Execution Chambers, there being no other experts. Therefore, you have spoken out of turn.” – Fred Leuchter

But is Leuchter an authority on gas chambers? The answer is no! In 1988, the year Zündel commissioned Leuchter to conduct a forensic examination of the gas chambers, there were 6 states which had legislation permitting administration of the death penalty by lethal gas. He never worked for Maryland which at the time stated that their work is done by…

“Eaton Ironworks of Denver, Colorado, which manufactured the gas chamber. A representative from Eaton does the service check prior to a potential execution. According to our records Fred A. Leuchter has never worked or consulted with the Maryland Penitentiary”. 

Mississippi spokesman Ken Jones gave this statement. 

“We have not contracted on a consulting basis at any time with Mr. Leuchter. He did visit our facility. He initiated the request, but we did not enter into any financial agreement. He did make recommendations after viewing the facility” – Ken Jones 

In Arizona, Mike Kowran of the Corrections Office stated: 

“Arizona never used Fred A. Leuchter. We don’t maintain the gas chamber. Never had any service work done in the 10 years I have been here other than by our own service personnel” – Mike Kowran 

In the testimony of Leuchter at the trial of Zundel in Toronto, defence attorney Douglas Christie questioned Leuchter about his experience with gas chambers 

Christie: “And you’re familiar with the facilities in the State of California and North Carolina, I understand?”

Leuchter: “I am.”

Christie: “What facilities are available there for executions?”

Leuchter: “Both States have gas chambers. California has a two-man gas chamber and North Carolina has a single man gas chamber.”

Christie: “And what is your relationship with the operation of those facilities in those two stats?”

Leuchter: “We consulted with both States, California primarily on a heart monitoring system to replace the older type mechanical digraph stethoscope that’s presently in use. We will be shipping to them shortly and installing a new heart monitor for both chairs in their gas chambers”

Christie: “You are consulted by the State, I understand?”

Leuchter: “Yes, Juan Vasqyes(?)”

Soon after, a letter from Warden Daniel B. Vasquez regarding Leuchter’s claims of experience in California’s gas chambers was received. 

He also claimed under oath that he worked for North Carolina.

Christie: “I see. And in – North Carolina?”

Leuchter: “North Carolina. My discussions and work was with one Nathan Reise, and he had some work done by their maintenance personnel on their gas chamber two years ago, and they had a problem with the gasket on a door leaking. At which point, we discussed it with him and recommended remedial procedures to change the gas chamber”

Christie: “And he consults you in regard to those matters?”

Leuchter: “He does.”

The North Carolina Department of Corrections responded by stating that Leuchter nether consulted nor contracted to do maintenance on their existing chamber.

The credibility of Leuchter’s report was founded on his expertise in building gas chambers. Leuchter did not advise any of the lethal gas states except Missouri, where according to a letter by Bill Armentrout to the Zundel defence, Leuchter submitted a plan for a new gas chamber but it was not implemented due to a change in the law to lethal injection as the means of execution. This is the sum total of experience which Leuchter believes makes him an authority on gas chambers. 

Rizoli: “But he said you had to go to court because they were taking you to court because you weren’t an engineer. See, he makes it look like you were doing something, like you were practicing engineering without a licence. That’s what he’s trying to say, uh, which we know is not true because you were a qualified engineer, you wouldn’t have to have a licence to be an engineer. So why don’t you talk about that?”

When it comes to Leuchter’s engineering qualifications he has none. He admitted under oath that he only had a Bachelor of Arts degree and implied to the court whilst he was a student that Boston University did not offer degrees in engineering. In fact, and unknown to the court, the university offered three different kinds. 

Judge Thomas: “How do you function as an engineer if you don’t have an engineering degree?”   

Leuchter: “Well, I would question, Your Honour, what an engineering degree is. I have a Bachelor of Arts degree and I have the required background training both on the college level and in the field to perform my function as an engineer.”

Judge Thomas: “Who determines that? You?”

As you can tell Judge Thomas was not impressed. He labelled Leuchter’s methodology as “ridiculous” and “preposterous”, dismissing many of the report’s conclusions on the basis that they were based on “second-hand information”, and refused to allow him to testify on the effects of Zyklon-B on humans because he, despite claiming to have designed gas chambers which use the chemical, had never worked with the substance and was neither a toxicologist nor a chemist. Judge Thomas dismissed Leuchter’s opinion because it was of “no greater value than that of an ordinary tourist”.  

“I’m not going to have him get into questions of what’s in a brick, what’s in iron, what is in-he has no expertise in this area. He is an engineer because he has made himself an engineer in a very limited area.” – Judge Thomas 

“His opinion on this report is that there were never any gassings or there was never any exterminations carried on in this facility. As far as I am concerned, from what I’ve heard, he is not capable of giving that opinion….He is not in a position to say, as he said so sweepingly in this report, what could not have been carried on in these facilities.” – Judge Thomas

In my previous video on Leuchter, I briefly mentioned that after an investigation by several states he was forced to sign a consent agreement that stated he had misrepresented himself as an engineer. The agreement stated that while unregistered as a professional engineer, he presented himself as an engineer able to consult in areas of engineering concerning execution technology. Despite signing this legal document Leuchter maintains his innocence stating that he never misrepresented himself. 

Leuchter: “Because they said I was, they said I told everybody that I was advertising myself as a licenced engineer. Massachusetts defines, there’s two engineers in Massachusetts and they’re both equal in terms of who they are. He said that I admitted that I was a professional engineer. That’s not true. I admitted to nothing in the agreement. I stated categorically in the agreement I never said I, I was a professional engineer or a licensed engineer. I wanna uh – one more thing about the court record I wanna clear this up. The court record was sealed by the court, and then it was expunged. It doesn’t even exist in the Massachusetts archives, in the court archives. The only person who knows about it today is myself, but the point is the Jews have said I plead guilty and I admitted to doing things that violated the law and I did not. I stated categorically that I never said I was a licensed engineer, I never will say I’m a licensed engineer and I never will say that.”

However, the court record contradicts Leuchter’s assertion that he never claimed to be a licensed engineer. 

Christie: “Are you a professional engineer?”

Leuchter: “I am. I have been functioning as such for the last twenty-four years.”

Christie: “What degree in engineering do you have?”

Leuchter: “I have a Bachelor of Arts.”

The consent agreement which Leuchter signed and agreed to also stated that he was to immediately cease using the title “engineer” and to stop presenting himself to be an engineer. It also stated that he would not to issue or distribute any report where he holds himself out as an engineer or to give any engineering opinion, specifically but not limited to, an engineering report on the alleged execution gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek. 

Clearly the rule of law means nothing to Leuchter which might help explain why he saw no issues with damaging a site of historical significance.

Rizoli: “Right. Now another thing he questioned which I thought was really stupid, he questioned the fact, [in fake imitation voice] “Well Fred didn’t have permission to take these samples.” And it’s like, uh, well how would you answer that?”

In my first video on Leuchter, I mentioned several times in an irate voice that he illegally acquired samples from the concentration camps. My reason for doing so in hindsight was a personal one. You see I have a particular distaste and a seething anger for people who damage sites of historical significance and when I saw footage of Leuchter collecting samples without permission in a haphazardly manner, I saw red and clearly was unable to contain my emotions. 

Leuchter: “Well, I, I didn’t need permission. I was acting as a-an expert witness for the court, and uh, I, I didn’t do any damage. I went, uh, if you go today, you wouldn’t even know where I took them, you wouldn’t even see any marks on the building, unless you specifically knew where to look to see my chisel marks. Uh, I didn’t not damage anything. I kept in mind that this, uh, property was a museum and I did nothing to deface. But I did take the, uh, it was important to take the uh, the samples for the court. And he, uh, he bogs down any conversation, because they will ask a question, and I uh, I’ll say, I’ll make it very obvious, I said that the, that the uh, Prussian Blue migraines from the inside of the wall to the outside of the wall and you can see them from both sides. And he turns around and said “You’re not qualified to say that.”. I mean yeah, uh we’re having a discussion, and we’re supposed to be analysing the thing, and I’m not qualified to make an observation that I can see with my eyes.”

Looking past the fact that the Judge dismissed Leuchter as an expert witness because of his lack of credentials and experience, the idea that a Canadian court can grant some form of immunity to an American citizen allowing him to damage and steal property from a Soviet country during the Cold War is farcical. Leuchter needed permission to obtain those samples which is why he went to great lengths to hide his actions and smuggle them out in his dirty underwear. There is also the potential that the Canadian court might have excluded the evidence from the trial because the evidence was obtained illegally and may have brought the administration of justice into disrepute. 

After the pair spending a considerable amount of time accusing me of nothing but personal attacks, Rizoli ended the show by calling me “stupid”, “a lazy bastard”, “a tool”, and a “Jew tool” before attacking my audience.

Rizoli: “The guy doesn’t know his ass from his elbow and- he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and he just says stuff that uh, you know, he claims [laughs], he claims he’s an, an expert because he’s smelled Zyklon B, uh, uh, imagine so stupid his answer. I think Myles is just a lazy bastard. He just hasn’t done any work to look into anything which isn’t the way to go about it. So I really question his motives. I think he’s just a tool Fred. He’s just a Jew tool that is there just to cause trouble, you know to make you, make you look bad, to make the topic look bad, uh a-and anybody who follows Myles, you really have to have your head examined because you’re as stupid as he is. He’s dumb as rocks. I mean the guy really doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. You know, maybe some other people – you’ve gotta understand Fred, we’re out there looking for the people that are looking for the honesty, for the answers, the truth. A-and, the people that follow Myles, I mean really? They’re as stupid as he is. I mean come on, Myles has got his head up his ass, he doesn’t – he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And the backslappers of Myles, they – they really don’t know what they’re talking about, and i-i-it’s hard to even look at these people and have a conversation with them when people are so ignorant and they don’t want to look at the whole hundred percent side of the truth here.”  

Before I go, I would like to address one last point Leuchter made which is that he believes that I am scared of holocaust denier and fellow chemist Germar Rudolf.

Leuchter: “I was qualified to do this because I had designed gas chambers and I was familiar with all forms of execution currently in use on this planet. I suggest that that, and I am not a chemist, I don’t have a degree in chemistry, uh, but I suggested he go to somebody who has a higher degree than he does. I suggested he talk to Germar Rudolf. Germar Rudolf has stated that my report is correct, but he certainly can go back to Germar Rudolf and ask Germar Rudolf if I did everything right and I think he’ll find that Germar Rudolf will set him straight. He can question maybe because I don’t have a degree in chemistry, but why don’t he go back and ask Germar Rudolf because Germar has a PhD? You know, he’s afraid of Germar. I’m sure he’s afraid of [inaudible] Yates, too.”

Germar Rudolf is not more qualified than me and never got his PhD. If Leuchter had bothered to do the bare bones amount of research on me he would know that I was challenged by the TDS podcasters to review and critique Germar Rudolf’s book, The Chemistry of Auschwitz. This is not a secret and this project has been in the works for over a year.

Some time later…

I found myself asking the question at what point does someone become a con man? Was it when he deliberately misrepresented himself as a professional engineer, when he sold faulty execution equipment which would cause a nightmarish death, or was it when he convinced holocaust deniers that he was an expert on gas execution? As strange as it sounds, I believe that Holocaust deniers like Zündel are potentially victims of Leuchter’s deception too. Despite having no formal qualifications, no real experience with gas chambers, and not just being inept but utterly clueless he convinced him that he was an expert in the field of gas execution. He took Zündel’s money, flew to Poland and botched his investigation to the point where even fellow Holocaust deniers have been critical of his findings. Or maybe Zündel knew exactly what kind of person Leuchter was. A fool with delusions of grandeur who would be incapable of designing an experiment to detect trace amounts of hydrogen cyanide in the gas chambers. The perfect person for Zündel’s defence. 

I am tired of Leuchter and no longer think talking to him would be the best use of my time. He clearly knows very little about the subjects he claims to be an expert on and goes to great lengths to evade my questions and my requests to talk. By comparison I have tackled head on everything he has thrown my way and have not broken a sweat. From now on I am going to move my attention to Germar Rudolf and see if he can offer me a challenge.